Is this an indirect way to tell the poor players (those who can't spend a dime in this game) to just suck it up or go away if you've got nothing?
Is this the way to penalize players who get decent profit in the Market?
Is this another way to force players to sell things in small amount so that they couldn't advance in the stories further than 3 clicks or afford daily pet food without going to the Bank?

I know that this is one of the nasty solutions to make sure players buy maaana/coins in the Bank.
I also know that this is a move to stop players to strategize their maaana reserve and market businesses.

...Is this another Beemoov's initiative to irate more players & get rid of them for good?

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The closet changes are interesting and I can't wait to play around with it.

The market changes? Once again, here goes Beemoov being blatant money grubbers. They knew that the market was where most players went when they needed more maana. So they nerfed it in a ploy to force players to go to the bank. At this point, Beemoov is begging for a complete player mutiny.

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Esstelle wrote

Will the deposit be returned if the item doesn't sell?

Ooh, and edited to add: I don't mind paying for extra outfit storage space, and I think it's a good compromise given that the company needs to make $.

But having the closet space increase in price as you buy more is off-putting to those who would otherwise be willing to do it. I was going to use all of my gold to purchase slots, but I stopped when the price went up. It felt like being penalized for trying to support you.

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TiaAltivaz wrote

Esstelle wrote

Will the deposit be returned if the item doesn't sell?

Ooh, and edited to add: I don't mind paying for extra outfit storage space, and I think it's a good compromise given that the company needs to make $.

But having the closet space increase in price as you buy more is off-putting to those who would otherwise be willing to do it. I was going to use all of my gold to purchase slots, but I stopped when the price went up. It felt like being penalized for trying to support you.

Dude I tested it out with the tax being only 1manna and put it up on the market, and took it down, then didn't get that 1 manna back so wtf?! You're kidding right that had to be a bug yeah? They're no way they can keep the tax manna on an item that either doesn't sell or you decide to cancel the auction. That's impossible.
I'll likely quite. I usually only sell things that are worth at least like 50-100manna so with crazy increase on tax already, but not too get that back if the auction doesn't sell or I cancel it? I've been trying to sell an egg for like 2000 manna since the update, not knowing all this until I just tested it out. I'm not ok with this.

Idrin wrote

TiaAltivaz wrote

Esstelle wrote

Will the deposit be returned if the item doesn't sell?

Ooh, and edited to add: I don't mind paying for extra outfit storage space, and I think it's a good compromise given that the company needs to make $.

But having the closet space increase in price as you buy more is off-putting to those who would otherwise be willing to do it. I was going to use all of my gold to purchase slots, but I stopped when the price went up. It felt like being penalized for trying to support you.

Dude I tested it out with the tax being only 1manna and put it up on the market, and took it down, then didn't get that 1 manna back so wtf?! You're kidding right that had to be a bug yeah? They're no way they can keep the tax manna on an item that either doesn't sell or you decide to cancel the auction. That's impossible.
I'll likely quite. I usually only sell things that are worth at least like 50-100manna so with crazy increase on tax already, but not too get that back if the auction doesn't sell or I cancel it? I've been trying to sell an egg for like 2000 manna since the update, not knowing all this until I just tested it out. I'm not ok with this.

Hi! The "deposit" (tax) won't be returned in any case, you loose maanas for every auction you make if the price is higher than 16 maanas, I think.
So if you sell or don't sell the item or if you cancel the auction you will alway loose the deposit.

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Attic is a nice idea. I remember, lots of people wanted that attic, and it's finally here (year or two later though). It was nice to get rid of some clothes. I still think that the best idea would be that we could turn them into maanas. Not in marketplace, but like...destroy them and get maana from it. But this is okay too.

As for the marketplace...yeah, I just don't get it. What's the point? What this new improvement brings us? No-one asked to pay maanas to get the items sold. I remember, many asked some sort of, how to say, a rooftop. Too many times I see some item being sold like 100,000 maanas. No-one in their right minds would pay something like that so it is just annoying.

Forte wrote

No-one asked to pay maanas to get the items sold. I remember, many asked some sort of, how to say, a rooftop. Too many times I see some item being sold like 100,000 maanas. No-one in their right minds would pay something like that so it is just annoying.

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brokenendings wrote

I truly hate the 1 hour wait for buy it now. Cuz no one can tell that my listed BIN price is the same as the bid price so they might bid before they can see the BIN, and that makes me lose a selling slot for 5 hours now, when if they'd waited 30 minutes they could've bought it for 1 maana cheaper.

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TO BE HONEST! I haven't had anything good come from this whole marketing thing, it's sad that u have to pay manna in order to sell??? that honestly was reallllly bad to add into the new update, and on top of that one mistake can cause someone to lose almost all their manna like me, it's crazy and very confusing, and now its gonna take forever to replace the manna I lost for something I don't even want.

maybe instead of all these confusing details, u could have added a recycling system where we could just recycle items for a good amount of manna and just get rid of our junk that way without losing so much because of confusing updates... idk its an idea??

Nur wrote

Is this an indirect way to tell the poor players (those who can't spend a dime in this game) to just suck it up or go away if you've got nothing?
Is this the way to penalize players who get decent profit in the Market?
Is this another way to force players to sell things in small amount so that they couldn't advance in the stories further than 3 clicks or afford daily pet food without going to the Bank?

I know that this is one of the nasty solutions to make sure players buy maaana/coins in the Bank.
I also know that this is a move to stop players to strategize their maaana reserve and market businesses.

...Is this another Beemoov's initiative to irate more players & get rid of them for good?

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I'm with everyone else on the marketplace. Tbh, I haven't even been on the marketplace since they cut it off to players who haven't finished enough episodes. I pretty much play this game for the events and dress-up element, so I still haven't cleared whatever episode it is which unlocks it.

I kiiiinda see the potential benefits of adding a deposit feature (and I appreciate @brokenendings 's economics analysis), but turning the marketplace into such a high-risk, even exclusionary environment is a step in the wrong direction if they're trying to make players happy. Beemov is seriously disincentivizing all sellers by making them pay significant percentages of their sale, regardless of whether that sale is successful. (Almost) no one is happy with this decision on this thread, and I think that speaks volumes.

As to the closet changes, I'm pretty ambivalent. I kind of liked being able to scroll past all of my color variations, and clicking back and forth gets old fast. However, I do appreciate the attic feature - I can finally get rid of some wigs I never wear!

Forte wrote

I still think that the best idea would be that we could turn them into maanas. Not in marketplace, but like...destroy them and get maana from it. But this is okay too.

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GoldenAischa wrote

Forte wrote

I still think that the best idea would be that we could turn them into maanas. Not in marketplace, but like...destroy them and get maana from it. But this is okay too.

YES! I've thought for years that this should be an option. It would get rid of so much excessive crap people have lying around in their inventories. It wouldn't even have to be a lot of maana! Just give me a couple in exchange for clearing out some of the companion food I've got maxed out from explorations!

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Like everyone in this forum, it's a bittersweet update for me.

While I do love the closet and attic idea, at the same time,  you can only save one outfit. If you want to save two more outfits, you must pay an additional manna or gold fee so the slot can be unlocked.

As for the market deposit price, that is completely unnecessary in my opinion. I haven't checked this forum entirely - but what if no one buys/auctions off the item you deposited? Will you truly get your deposit back or not?

I do enjoy the attic option where I can now store the items that I know I would never put on my character, but the rest of this update... I don't know what to say. I guess you guys took our feedback, yes, but this wasn't what we entirely asked...

Thank you anyways?

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Shintarou wrote

Nur wrote

Is this an indirect way to tell the poor players (those who can't spend a dime in this game) to just suck it up or go away if you've got nothing?
Is this the way to penalize players who get decent profit in the Market?
Is this another way to force players to sell things in small amount so that they couldn't advance in the stories further than 3 clicks or afford daily pet food without going to the Bank?

I know that this is one of the nasty solutions to make sure players buy maaana/coins in the Bank.
I also know that this is a move to stop players to strategize their maaana reserve and market businesses.

...Is this another Beemoov's initiative to irate more players & get rid of them for good?

Beemoov's favorite past time is to destroy their own business. After the whole mess with MCL they should have quit trying their bs. But here we are, in another mess again. And again.

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So, has anyone noticed the servere hit the market has taken in the last two days? Items that used to be able to easily go for 1500+ maana to help that player out and had a small buyer pool are suddenly dropping to under 1000? I mean, as a buyer it is a great opportunity, but.... it's gross. Those items are rare and go for way more, but the fear of losing maana on an item with a lower buyer pool is absolutely terrifying. Rare items are going to be even harder to come by now and people with high-risk, high-reward items are not going to have the garentee to put up their stuff.
I want people to get their fair share and use the market to help them. We feared this would kill the marketplace, and it only took 48 hours for that to come true.

Also, did some math (read: plugged numbers into the market to see how much they charge)

When I entered 100 maana as the immediate buy price on an item, I got
6 hours: 3% (3 maana)
12 hours: 5% (5 maana)
24 hours: 7% (7 maana)
48 hours: 10% (10 maana)

Imagine paying that much just to lose it because you have an item that people may not see?

mezuku wrote

So, has anyone noticed the servere hit the market has taken in the last two days? Items that used to be able to easily go for 1500+ maana to help that player out and had a small buyer pool are suddenly dropping to under 1000? I mean, as a buyer it is a great opportunity, but.... it's gross. Those items are rare and go for way more, but the fear of losing maana on an item with a lower buyer pool is absolutely terrifying. Rare items are going to be even harder to come by now and people with high-risk, high-reward items are not going to have the garentee to put up their stuff.
I want people to get their fair share and use the market to help them. We feared this would kill the marketplace, and it only took 48 hours for that to come true.

Also, did some math (read: plugged numbers into the market to see how much they charge)

When I entered 100 maana as the immediate buy price on an item, I got
6 hours: 3% (3 maana)
12 hours: 5% (5 maana)
24 hours: 7% (7 maana)
48 hours: 10% (10 maana)

Imagine paying that much just to lose it because you have an item that people may not see?

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Shintarou wrote

Nur wrote

Is this an indirect way to tell the poor players (those who can't spend a dime in this game) to just suck it up or go away if you've got nothing?
Is this the way to penalize players who get decent profit in the Market?
Is this another way to force players to sell things in small amount so that they couldn't advance in the stories further than 3 clicks or afford daily pet food without going to the Bank?

I know that this is one of the nasty solutions to make sure players buy maaana/coins in the Bank.
I also know that this is a move to stop players to strategize their maaana reserve and market businesses.

...Is this another Beemoov's initiative to irate more players & get rid of them for good?

Beemoov's favorite past time is to destroy their own business. After the whole mess with MCL they should have quit trying their bs. But here we are, in another mess again. And again.

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Okay... so I tested this "new" market for a while:
out of 6 items I put up for (two rounds of 3 items of) 6 hour auctions I sell only 1 item...
that means I loose the deposit for 5 auctions.
Even if I try to sell the items pretty cheap, the average deposit for a 6 hour auction is 2 maana for me.
That equals 10 maana minimum loss per day = 70 per week
= 280 maana or more loss per month    

Since I cant play the mini games more often, I will have to put up with this loss or... buy the minimum amount of maana for € 2.99 real money to have the same game-experience as before.

Wont happen beemoov. Wont happen.
I did buy a little maana now and then in the past...

but now I am in boycott mode ! ! !

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I just can't figure out why they would not/never adress and discuss such a big change with the community..?
They could've simply made a survey with the designs they had in mind for the update and have a YES or NO button and an additional option to bring up some thought or idea.
That's not even difficult to do and it would've likely shown, what the comments are expressing now.

If it's changes that do not affect everybody or have to be changed (for whatever reason), then ofc a survey isn't necessary but THIS was exactly when they should have communicated BEFORE changing up something major in the game. Especially when they come up with weird ideas that nobody asked for.

I do agree that the attic and the outfit save are great but the rest isn't gonna work.

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Ieyasu wrote

mezuku wrote

So, has anyone noticed the servere hit the market has taken in the last two days? Items that used to be able to easily go for 1500+ maana to help that player out and had a small buyer pool are suddenly dropping to under 1000? I mean, as a buyer it is a great opportunity, but.... it's gross. Those items are rare and go for way more, but the fear of losing maana on an item with a lower buyer pool is absolutely terrifying. Rare items are going to be even harder to come by now and people with high-risk, high-reward items are not going to have the garentee to put up their stuff.
I want people to get their fair share and use the market to help them. We feared this would kill the marketplace, and it only took 48 hours for that to come true.

Also, did some math (read: plugged numbers into the market to see how much they charge)

When I entered 100 maana as the immediate buy price on an item, I got
6 hours: 3% (3 maana)
12 hours: 5% (5 maana)
24 hours: 7% (7 maana)
48 hours: 10% (10 maana)

Imagine paying that much just to lose it because you have an item that people may not see?

This server usually have 100 pages of sellable items. But over the past two days, there's been a 20-40 pages decrease. The number of sellers has definitely dropped.

Cailin wrote

I just can't figure out why they would not/never adress and discuss such a big change with the community..?
They could've simply made a survey with the designs they had in mind for the update and have a YES or NO button and an additional option to bring up some thought or idea.
That's not even difficult to do and it would've likely shown, what the comments are expressing now.

If it's changes that do not affect everybody or have to be changed (for whatever reason), then ofc a survey isn't necessary but THIS was exactly when they should have communicated BEFORE changing up something major in the game. Especially when they come up with weird ideas that nobody asked for.

I do agree that the attic and the outfit save are great but the rest isn't gonna work.

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Thanks Beemov for the update in the closet! The attic function is nice! And having the same items grouped helps with oreder and viewing a way less crowded closet.

I don't like the deposit update in the market, I think it will have less people selling items in the market.

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I do not post on forums in general, but I just felt the need to do it this time, because, I totally don't get it!
Why are they trying to kill market? I see people writing it's to force players to spend more maana, but it doesn't make sense. I mean, I do get they need profit, I do not blame them, every company does, but hear me out.
For every item you sell, someone else buys it, therefore loses maana, therefore is more likely to use cash. Also, the more items traded and for higher price, the more maana permamently evaporates from the system thanks to tax or deposit or whatever you call it.
Now, the players who don't pay won't start now, and the ones who do would pay more if they had more nice stuff to buy from the market.
So, wouldn't in be actually good for beemoov if there was more trade and for prices as high as possible?  I'm confused, somebody explain it please!

Oh and, I think this update wouldn't be so bad (only slightly bad and maybe I'd even think attic balances it out) if we didn't lose deposit for items that didn't sell, but as it is now, it's just... well, we all can see how many pages of items there are on the market.

P.S. And please spare me this "but all those overpriced things listed by bad, bad people will be gone now" nonsense. It never was a problem, nobody was forced to buy anything if they didn't want to. ...Now that I think of it, crazy priced listings could be actually a cool way to show off and let other people try on some nice outfits you didn't really want to sell ;)

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